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“If there ever really was an American dream, it’s you,” the singer tells Abrams on an upcoming episode of OTHERtone

Stacey Abrams is a massive Pharrell Williams fan.

On Monday’s episode of his latest OTHERtone podcast, which has also included Eric Andre, Kenya Barris, Bill Nye and others, Abrams, 47, will join the singer.

The 40-minute interview is seen solely above: it covers the history and political ideology of Abrams and the shared respect of her and Williams (and her side-job writing thrillers and romance novels, one of which has been developed as a CBS series).


“If there ever really was an American dream, it’s you. It really is,” Williams, 47, tells Abrams, a Georgia lawmaker-turned-voting rights activist who has drawn widespread praise from Democrats for her efforts in the now-purple state.


“It’s like, what you’ve done is you didn’t tear anything down. You didn’t burn anything up,” Williams tells her at one point in the conversation, with co-hosts Fam-Lay and Scott Vener.

“And if anything,” Williams says, “you just looked at what was there.” He goes on: “You did like this incredible analysis of how you could engineer change. And it was done in a way that is only inspiring people.”

Plus, Williams notes, “We were born in the same year … so I take pride in that we’re 73 babies.”

Abrams has praise of her own for him, gushing of Williams’ Hidden Figures soundtrack: “It is truly one of the most electrifying and humanizing albums. It is absolutely wonderful. And when I am in a bad space, it is one of the things I play.”


She demurs on her political role, lauded by many liberals, in expanding voting in Georgia.

“I’ve tried my best to be celebratory of those who did the work,” she says on OTHERtone, adding, “I’d rather celebrate and recognize everyone who was a part of getting there. No matter when they got on board.”

“I have no right to victory. No politician running for office has the right to win,” she says. “But as a citizen of Georgia, I had the right to make certain that the votes were counted, that the people who wanted to participate could.”

Abrams became the first Black woman in 2018 to become either the Democratic or Republican parties’ gubernatorial candidate.

She finally lost a closely fought race to new Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, although the accusations of voter fraud clouded her narrow loss (which Kemp denied).

Abrams formed a non-profit voter registration group, the New Georgia Movement, and later founded Fair War, an association focusing on opposing voter intimidation.

After Democrats narrowly won the Georgia presidential election in November and then two Senate runoffs in January, after years of Republican wins, the work of her and other organizers attracted renewed interest.

Praise for Abrams came in from the likes of former 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, Academy Award-winning actress Viola DavisLeBron James and others.

And Pharrell Williams, too: “I’m such a fan.”

The OTHERtone interview with Abrams will be released Monday.

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